Kal-El18 posted:

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Shujinkydink posted:

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Kal-El18 posted:

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[quote=Shujinkydink][quote=Sindelia]I don't find the Rage itself cheap.
I find what some people do when enraged cheap.
Trap you in a 2 or 3 hit chain combo until your health reaches zer0.
Baraka's blades, Deathstroke's sword, Kitana's 3,2 combo and many others are examples.
I prefer to do or to be done a normal combo, not wait for Rage and show the cheap of me.
Of course there are people that fight only for the fun of it and don't bother crossing a line between fair and cheap.

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no such thing as cheap in this game except inf and semi infs.


if you cant defend it thats your problem not theirs

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That's bollocks

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Shujinkydink posted:

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Kal-El18 posted:

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Shujinkydink posted:

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[quote=Kal-El18][quote=Shujinkydink][quote=Sindelia]I don't find the Rage itself cheap.
I find what some people do when enraged cheap.
Trap you in a 2 or 3 hit chain combo until your health reaches zer0.
Baraka's blades, Deathstroke's sword, Kitana's 3,2 combo and many others are examples.
I prefer to do or to be done a normal combo, not wait for Rage and show the cheap of me.
Of course there are people that fight only for the fun of it and don't bother crossing a line between fair and cheap.

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no such thing as cheap in this game except inf and semi infs.


if you cant defend it thats your problem not theirs

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That's bollocks

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Kal-El18 posted:

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I don't think you understood exactly what i was saying, i wasent asking advice on how to beat these characters. I was saying how GL's breaker combo was cheap not that i cant beat GL, unless i do a jumping hit green lantern will be able to do 30% plus of a breaker. THAT is cheap. Again with Khans barge i wasent saying that i cant go against it but when he does barges OFF BREAKERS there is nothing you can do, it is not breakable. Raidens teleport is stupid online, i have tried the grab technique yet it seems to fail most of the time and raiden gets a free combo in.

So I stick with my statement, thinking nothing is cheap in this game is stupid.

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Shujinkydink posted:

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Kal-El18 posted:

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I don't think you understood exactly what i was saying, i wasent asking advice on how to beat these characters. I was saying how GL's breaker combo was cheap not that i cant beat GL, unless i do a jumping hit green lantern will be able to do 30% plus of a breaker. THAT is cheap. Again with Khans barge i wasent saying that i cant go against it but when he does barges OFF BREAKERS there is nothing you can do, it is not breakable. Raidens teleport is stupid online, i have tried the grab technique yet it seems to fail most of the time and raiden gets a free combo in.

So I stick with my statement, thinking nothing is cheap in this game is stupid.

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I suppose you didnt understand me, i was trying to show that their are ways around GL's Free combos, thus not making them cheap. they are easily beatable and easily avoidable. same with Kahn, same with raiden, if your missing the throw with raiden, mix it up and do a pop up, chances are he's expecting the throw and is ducking.

If your finding these tactics unblockable, its your playing that needs improvement. If someone is using a move and its working, why stop using it? yes its unbreakable, but there's nothing stopping you from doing the same thing. If everyone can perform the move it is not considered cheap. a "cheap" move would be an infinite, that allows no escape.

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Kal-El18 posted:

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All you said was use projectiles against GL and large combos, to do large combos you have to juggle them or do a combo from standing which you will be punished via breaker combo. unless you suggest spamming? Please tell me how to not get into Khans breaker barge? oh spamming projectiles against khan doesen't work because he will just sidestep. If you have a small amount of health left and so does khan..if he has breakers left you will lose because he will sidestep projectiles and you cant physically hit him because breaker hit.

theres nothing stopping me using it? how about them only playing one game and not rematching? For me to use it, i would have to pick one of those characters first in order to compete? That's stupid. Everyone can do the move but only two characters can do breaker hits. Giving a distinct advantage. If you think its so avoidable please fight skiloo and ask him to do his stuff of breakers, im sure it will change your opinion on nothing being cheap.

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Shujinkydink posted:

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Kal-El18 posted:

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All you said was use projectiles against GL and large combos, to do large combos you have to juggle them or do a combo from standing which you will be punished via breaker combo. unless you suggest spamming? Please tell me how to not get into Khans breaker barge? oh spamming projectiles against khan doesen't work because he will just sidestep. If you have a small amount of health left and so does khan..if he has breakers left you will lose because he will sidestep projectiles and you cant physically hit him because breaker hit.

theres nothing stopping me using it? how about them only playing one game and not rematching? For me to use it, i would have to pick one of those characters first in order to compete? That's stupid. Everyone can do the move but only two characters can do breaker hits. Giving a distinct advantage. If you think its so avoidable please fight skiloo and ask him to do his stuff of breakers, im sure it will change your opinion on nothing being cheap.

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ok, your not understanding me sorry, I'll try and speak a little more generally so you can follow. when you start a match, you don't start out with a breaker(first hit gets a free one). So you have time to get at least one good big combo in before they get a breaker. from there, you already have the advantage. Considering the most damage GL can do off a breaker is 30%, you shouldn't be having much trouble with it. I do believe I've beaten Skiloo numerous times, and do believe he declines my challenges now. I'm currently within top 3 on xbox(not going by the leaderboards but by who I've played).

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Kal-El18 posted:

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Its true you don't start with a breaker but you must be a very good player to get a COMBO in the first hit, from all the matches Ive played and seen its extremely rare for a large combo to happen as first hit (most are projectiles or jumping hits/low hits). But yes if you win that hit you will have an opportunity to deal a good amount of damage without them getting a free 30% unless you use a breaker.Again im not saying i cant deal with the breaker combo, I'm just saying its not fair aka cheap because its an advantage which only one other player has and will give a free 30% if you don't have a breaker to use (like i said breakers don't work against Khan that's why i find it cheap). Say Khan gets two breakers, that's a free 35+% damage? That is cheap because you cannot stop that, you will take that damage if you hit him which was my whole point. Im not questioning your ability to play the game, why you brought that up is beyond me and you keep trying to give me advice and said my performance needs improving which is totally uncalled for seeing as it had nothing to do with what i was originally talking about. Whats your gamertag?

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Shujinkydink posted:

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Kal-El18 posted:

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Its true you don't start with a breaker but you must be a very good player to get a COMBO in the first hit, from all the matches Ive played and seen its extremely rare for a large combo to happen as first hit (most are projectiles or jumping hits/low hits). But yes if you win that hit you will have an opportunity to deal a good amount of damage without them getting a free 30% unless you use a breaker.Again im not saying i cant deal with the breaker combo, I'm just saying its not fair aka cheap because its an advantage which only one other player has and will give a free 30% if you don't have a breaker to use (like i said breakers don't work against Khan that's why i find it cheap). Say Khan gets two breakers, that's a free 35+% damage? That is cheap because you cannot stop that, you will take that damage if you hit him which was my whole point. Im not questioning your ability to play the game, why you brought that up is beyond me and you keep trying to give me advice and said my performance needs improving which is totally uncalled for seeing as it had nothing to do with what i was originally talking about. Whats your gamertag?

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as long as you get first hit you stop them from getting a breaker, you dont need to pull off a huge combo on the first hit. Sorry, i guess i went on a bit of a ramble there. Point is, if you can use it, as long as its not an infinite, its considered fair game. It's an advantage of course no doubt, but there's gonna be characters in fighting games who have larger advantages than others, that's why their considered top tier characters. Their harder to get around and harder to defend against. But they are all beatable. My gamertag btw is the same as my posting name here, Shujinkydink.

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Shujinkydink posted:

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nope, I play in the rooms. I only play ranked if there's no one worth playing in the rooms. Which has been happening a lot lately. There's no comp left anymore

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Kal-El18 posted:

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Shujinkydink posted:

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Kal-El18 posted:

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All you said was use projectiles against GL and large combos, to do large combos you have to juggle them or do a combo from standing which you will be punished via breaker combo. unless you suggest spamming? Please tell me how to not get into Khans breaker barge? oh spamming projectiles against khan doesen't work because he will just sidestep. If you have a small amount of health left and so does khan..if he has breakers left you will lose because he will sidestep projectiles and you cant physically hit him because breaker hit.

theres nothing stopping me using it? how about them only playing one game and not rematching? For me to use it, i would have to pick one of those characters first in order to compete? That's stupid. Everyone can do the move but only two characters can do breaker hits. Giving a distinct advantage. If you think its so avoidable please fight skiloo and ask him to do his stuff of breakers, im sure it will change your opinion on nothing being cheap.

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ok, your not understanding me sorry, I'll try and speak a little more generally so you can follow. when you start a match, you don't start out with a breaker(first hit gets a free one). So you have time to get at least one good big combo in before they get a breaker. from there, you already have the advantage. Considering the most damage GL can do off a breaker is 30%, you shouldn't be having much trouble with it. I do believe I've beaten Skiloo numerous times, and do believe he declines my challenges now. I'm currently within top 3 on xbox(not going by the leaderboards but by who I've played).

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Its true you don't start with a breaker but you must be a very good player to get a COMBO in the first hit, from all the matches Ive played and seen its extremely rare for a large combo to happen as first hit (most are projectiles or jumping hits/low hits). But yes if you win that hit you will have an opportunity to deal a good amount of damage without them getting a free 30% unless you use a breaker.Again im not saying i cant deal with the breaker combo, I'm just saying its not fair aka cheap because its an advantage which only one other player has and will give a free 30% if you don't have a breaker to use (like i said breakers don't work against Khan that's why i find it cheap). Say Khan gets two breakers, that's a free 35+% damage? That is cheap because you cannot stop that, you will take that damage if you hit him which was my whole point. Im not questioning your ability to play the game, why you brought that up is beyond me and you keep trying to give me advice and said my performance needs improving which is totally uncalled for seeing as it had nothing to do with what i was originally talking about. Whats your gamertag?

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