Blackua posted:I agree with some of the the things you've said,but others... 1.Bat's may destroy small lizards in real life,but in comic books where planet eating beings are almost a daily fling,I doubt that reasoning applies to man/animal hybrids. 2.Supergirl is quite powerful,but Rouge would still be able to absorb her powers,thus giving her an excellent advantage. 3.Deadpool is basically Deathstroke for the Marvel universe. He was created in homage to Deathstroke,and in the book Superman/Batman annual #1: A re-imaginary story,Deathstroke is sent to assassinate Bruce Wayne,but is stopped when Deadpool (licensing issues and certain rights prevent the character from being called so in the book) comes in and intervenes. The conversation between Deathstroke and Deadpool basically reveals that Deadpool and Deathstroke are cosmic counterparts. That's what I've got,take it or leave it. I don't care.
clancop posted:Batman killed Darkseid with a gun (breaking his ultimate rules, don't kill and don't use guns guns) and the bullet Darkseid used to kill his son Orion, Wally West turned Inertia into a living statue for killing Bart Allen, etc There are times where heroes must do bad to do good (Identity Crisis is all about that concept), even if they have to live with the consequences.
clancop posted:Lizard vs Man-Bat is pretty much a "no brainer" when you look at other such fights. Hawks and Eagles eating small to mid sized lizards, you see how much an advantage flight is. With Man-Bat, while he isn't a large bird, he is more of a predator of their nature then he is of any known bat. Sharp claws, his razor sharp teeth, incredible strength. This is far more than I think Lizard could deal with, and even with his tough skin and healing abilities, Man-Bat's feral nature would simply be too much for him.
clancop posted:Batman versus Wolverine would be an interesting fight, but Logan's only advantage would be in close combat, something Bruce would steer away from. Batman's gadgets include a modified taser (not one of these dinky ones you find in stores), gas grenades, plastique charges, hell, he could even fire his grappling gun off in Wolverine's face, easily knocking him out. Wolverine's attack strategy has always been straight forward, and in a battle with Batman, that is by far the worse way to fight him. As we saw with the Amazo fight (him and Nightwing taking on a super powered android), he even used his own car as a weapon. That's the way Batman is, he will always find a way, and unless Wolverine can quickly adjust his strategy, fight more carefully, he will lose.
clancop posted:Rogue and Supergirl, even with Ms Marvel's powers, I would still say Kara hands down. She isn't like Superman, she doesn't like keeping her powers limited (as many in the DCU have noticed, questioning if she was stronger than Superman himself), and she is far quicker to anger than her cousin. Rogue would need to get a hold of Supergirl fast, and hope to God that she is able to drain enough power in a short space of time to put her down. Once again though, we don't know how she will react to it, or whether or not her powers will work on Kara. Ms Marvel was modified with Kree DNA, Kryptonian DNA is a whole different thing, far more complex than human DNA (this is why it is impossible for Clark and Lois to have a child through traditional means), and we don't even know if Rogue could contain that kind of power. Either way, she doesn't have the strength to match Supergirl in a fight, and by the time she figures that out, by the time she tries to drain Kara's powers, it will be too late. Add in a host of secondary powers, like heat vision and freezing breath, and Rogue is simply outmatched, far out of her weight class (by the way, Amazonian martial arts are considered superior to basic karate, so much so that Batman considers Wonder Woman the best melee combatant on Earth).
clancop posted:With Deathstroke and Deadpool, once again, do your research. Deathstroke is THE Terminator for a reason. He has shown himself to be a threat to even higher leveled metahumans, even bring the great Geoforce to his knees in a one on one fight. His heightened reflexes, strength (calculated at ten times that of a normal man), intellect, etc make him dangerous. The most dangerous thing about him is that it isn't his combat skills that are the concern, but his tactical mind, always having a back-up plan in case something goes wrong. Read Identity Crisis #3, he takes Wally West out with a well timed grenade and a well placed sword strike, he then takes out Zatanna, Black Canary, Hawkman and Green Arrow, each one with calculated strikes. If it wasn't for Green Arrow's quick thinking, he would have beaten Green Lantern as well. He is even smart enough to have a plan just in case Supes shows up (while he knows he can't beat him, he does realize there are ways of keeping Supes occupied long enough for him to get away). Simply put, his skills and infamous, and he is considered the greatest assassin in the DCU, more than a match for a cheap rip off who relies on his healing factor and quick wits in a fight.
clancop posted:And just because I think your obsession with her power is a little "fan boyish", doesn't mean I was insulting you.
Ironlantern posted:This isn't about the quality of the stories. This is about who realistically would win. All Dark Phoenix battles involve getting past Phoenix to Jean. Take that out of the equasion, and you have a force that would be next to impossible to defeat.
clancop posted:Oh, and for our Hulk fans out there... Yes, that is my answer to any Superman vs Hulk fight
100DOLLARSUNGLASSES posted:clancop posted:Oh, and for our Hulk fans out there... Yes, that is my answer to any Superman vs Hulk fight sry for the dble post, but did Supes just call an about 20-year old superhero "son"? Wow Superman wow... Also, that was due to DC persuasion that Superman must not lose to the Hulk or anyone of Marvel. If he did, DC would`ve had a fit.
clancop posted:Blackua posted:I agree with some of the the things you've said,but others... 1.Bat's may destroy small lizards in real life,but in comic books where planet eating beings are almost a daily fling,I doubt that reasoning applies to man/animal hybrids. 2.Supergirl is quite powerful,but Rouge would still be able to absorb her powers,thus giving her an excellent advantage. 3.Deadpool is basically Deathstroke for the Marvel universe. He was created in homage to Deathstroke,and in the book Superman/Batman annual #1: A re-imaginary story,Deathstroke is sent to assassinate Bruce Wayne,but is stopped when Deadpool (licensing issues and certain rights prevent the character from being called so in the book) comes in and intervenes. The conversation between Deathstroke and Deadpool basically reveals that Deadpool and Deathstroke are cosmic counterparts. That's what I've got,take it or leave it. I don't care. 1. Much of this fiction has a basis in reality. Animals, plants, etc Look at much of Superman's mythology, much of it based in science. With the release of Superman Returns to theatres, you had the Discovery Channel's Science of Superman, spending a fair bit of time discussing how he could scientifically be capable of doing it. You have numerous rewrites of explanation of powers to fit within scientific fact, as well as provide a basis for scientific theory. Would it surprise you that Star Trek inspired many scientific advances? Another Discovery Channel special, How Star Trek changed the world. It is far more enjoyable if there is something there grounded in fact, and I always like seeing Myth Busters or someone else test such comic book superhero fiction. 2. Parasite is by far a more superior "parasite", not needing skin to skin contact to absorb powers. Even then, Superman and Supergirl have taken him and his "kin" down on several occasions. It gets fairly easy for them after so many encounters, developing flawless strategies for dealing with such opponents. It is like Wally West versus Hawkeye in JLA/Avengers, where the Flash easily avoided the boomrang arrow, and knocking Marvel's archer out with ease (years of fighting Captain Boomerang helped him develop such strategies). On top of this, like I mentioned before, I would rather fight Superman, at least he wouldn't go all out on me like Supergirl. Bruises and broken bones are "par for the course" when tangling with Kara. She possesses strength at a far higher level than Rogue, someone who hasn't been shown to match the likes of Hulk or Thor in a fight. A better fight would be Starfire vs Rogue, at least then she is closer to her weight class. 3. Deadpool isn't Deathstroke. Sure he was copied off him, but Slade is just so much more than a masked assassin with swords and guns. There is a reason why he is always a threat to Nightwing, The Flash and other former Teen Titans. The man is twisted to say the least, his superior intellect driving him to the point of psychosis. He beheaded his close friend and mounted him on a wall. He drugged his own daughter to the point where she cut out her eye to prove her loyalty to him, and then, in a weird display of affection, formed a rival team of superheroes turned evil, started a war between his Titans and the Teen Titans, all in a well thought out plan help bring his daughter closer to her teammates, and provide her a safe and loving home amongst his adversaries. A master manipulator, a skilled assassin and a superior specimen (think Captain America but a raging psycho who is faster, stronger and smarter than Steve Rogers), he is way above Deadpool's level. ***** As for the Phoenix, it is a powerful entity which possesses telepaths and other beings it deems worthy. It has omnipotence, an awareness of all that happens at all times, and while it does also have other abilities like supreme level pyrokinesis, her powers (she it is a she), are limited by her host. We see this is how Emma Frost, the Cuckoos and other psychics have manipulated, even "harvested" the entity for their own designs. While she was interesting at first, Phoenix storylines are overly predictable and downright stupid now. I am sick and tired of picking up an X-men comic, or seeing in X-Men related games that Jean Grey is the Phoenix and the Earth is in trouble (YET AGAIN) because she wants to destroy it and all life on it (AGAIN). How many times does Jean Grey have to die for people to realize that it just doesn't sell comics or movies anymore? Hell, even Cyclops moved on, getting himself a much hotter (and far more developed) woman who doesn't want to cheat on him with Wolverine. Urgh...
clancop posted: Lizard vs Man-Bat is pretty much a "no brainer" when you look at other such fights. Hawks and Eagles eating small to mid sized lizards, you see how much an advantage flight is. With Man-Bat, while he isn't a large bird, he is more of a predator of their nature then he is of any known bat. Sharp claws, his razor sharp teeth, incredible strength. This is far more than I think Lizard could deal with, and even with his tough skin and healing abilities, Man-Bat's feral nature would simply be too much for him.
subzerosmokerain posted:[quote=clancop] Eagles to bats? Apples to oranges dude. Simply because they both have flight capabilties (like apples and oranges are both fruits) doesn't mean they'll fare well against the same competitor. You need to see that the common Hawks/Eagles have more developed talons than a bat. Also with the ability to climb walls(which makes me wonder, why he didn't grab onto a wall in that Spideerman issue I told you about?) flight in the big city wouldn't be a challenge for The Lizard to find his opponent. Bats do not hunt lizards either, they mainly hunt insect and arachnids. So fighting a Lizard would be a very different fight for any common bat. Just because Man-Bat will attack in a very feral nature, doesn't mean the Lizard will hold back, he will also begin to become even more feral in nature. As you said, his tough hide and REGENERATIVE abilities will be more than enough for Man-Bat. Even with his sharp talons, they are only an improvement on human bone, (with Bat modifications) which still remain brittle, not "chopping off a head" attack like you suggest. He has incredible strengths as well to match up to Man-Bat. He wouldn't dwarf him, but it wouldn't be a one-sided fist fight. ~SZSR
100DOLLARSUNGLASSES posted:OK how`s about Captain Cold vs Pyro? I`d say Pyro by inches just cause Captain Cold `s ice would melt. Unless Captain Cold froze the flamethrowers then broke them, basically making Pyro almost defenseless with no flame. Batman vs Captain America? Gotta go with the Bat this time around. Better tools and a better knowledge of hand-to-hand combat and stealth and lets not forget a better sidekick. Quicksilver vs Jay Garrik Flash? I`m gonna say Quicksilver, just cause Quicksilver isn`t above pretending to go down then injure Garrik with a low blow. Catwoman vs Black Cat? Catwoman, her whip and more impressive feats ensure her as the victor here. Gambit vs Vigilante? I dunno why Vig, (ran out of imagination) but Gambit would take this (exploding cards, bo staff, and experience against firearms). If you got a better match-up for the Ragin` Cajun please bring it up. I have a fairly short attention span and I`m kinda getting bored with those match-ups.
clancop posted:100DOLLARSUNGLASSES posted:OK how`s about Captain Cold vs Pyro? I`d say Pyro by inches just cause Captain Cold `s ice would melt. Unless Captain Cold froze the flamethrowers then broke them, basically making Pyro almost defenseless with no flame. Batman vs Captain America? Gotta go with the Bat this time around. Better tools and a better knowledge of hand-to-hand combat and stealth and lets not forget a better sidekick. Quicksilver vs Jay Garrik Flash? I`m gonna say Quicksilver, just cause Quicksilver isn`t above pretending to go down then injure Garrik with a low blow. Catwoman vs Black Cat? Catwoman, her whip and more impressive feats ensure her as the victor here. Gambit vs Vigilante? I dunno why Vig, (ran out of imagination) but Gambit would take this (exploding cards, bo staff, and experience against firearms). If you got a better match-up for the Ragin` Cajun please bring it up. I have a fairly short attention span and I`m kinda getting bored with those match-ups. Pyro has the advantage, but the issue is whether or Captain Cold can extinguish any source of fire he can find (remember that Pyro doesn't generate his own flame, but simply controls what's already there). Depends greatly on the location too. This one could go either way... Batman vs Captain America has always been a stalemate, and seeing how Batman himself has admitted that Captain America does have a good chance of taking him down, I would have to say this is a real coin toss. Rogers' experience and tactical mind makes him a threat, not to mention and unbreakable shield and metahuman physiology. Flip a coin... Quicksilver vs Jay Garrick is a fight the original speedster would easily win. Experienced, physically bigger, smarter, and he has a few interesting tricks up his sleeve (vibrating himself to be invisible is probably the most inventive thing I have seen a speedster at his level do). It comes down to the fact that he has simply been doing this longer than Quicksilver, and seeing how both are equally powered, experience wins the day. Catwoman vs Black Cat? Selina Kyle is definitely not someone I would want to be on the bad side of. Black Cat herself is known for her temper, but Selina is the kind of woman who would resort to biting, scratching, hair pulling, and even murder if pushed to it (she did manage to kill Black Mask when her life and the life of her daughter was threatened). She has also proven herself in battle against stronger foes, like Cheetah... Catwoman by a wisker... I will pass on this next fight. Gambit and Vigilante isn't something I could discuss, mainly because this fight could go two ways, Vig shots him in the head right at the start (I don't know his moral code, especially since he is such an old character), or he plays it fair and the fight to a stalemate (bullets knocking playing cards out of the air). It also depends whether or not we are talking post-Sinister Gambit (the poison gas ability might be a serious trump card). No call... Oh and for the record, Deathstroke is far stronger. With control of 90% of his brain, he has shown extraordinary physical feats. It has been discussed that he has control over his adrenaline, granted him increased strength above that of his own standard metahuman levels. This man IS called the Terminator for a reason, why do I need to keep repeating that? And P.S. The Teen Titans aren't teenagers anymore, and like I said, he still has shown himself to be the equal of the entire team in battle. ***** With Hulk, honestly, I don't believe Marvel's BS on his powers. Physically speaking, there IS an upper limit to someone's anger, and there are physical restrictions to his form. They have stated in the past that at his maddest, he is 12 tons and 16 feet tall or something like that, and now they change well established cannon to simply sell World War Hulk??? Come on, World War III was a far better story, and all this coming after the death of Captain America (Earth-616 has been going downhill with Rogers died)? How do they explain any of it? They don't, they simply wash away what we already know, re-establish something else, which is then erased again with the arrival of the "Rulk" (oh wait, the Green Hulk isn't the strongest, this new Red one is). Marvel is good at telling stories with weaker characters, that is pretty much what their comics are about, and any time they step out of that bubble, they get garbage. The Phoenix (trash), Sentry (trash... Even now he is pretty pathetic), Hulk (cool at first, now trash... from hero to villain?)... Since everyone is weak, having one strong one doesn't work well since we all know the outcome (everyone is screwed until the last minute when something happens that stops it all... Phoenix is that you?). On the hero to villain thing, same thing goes with Iron Man as well. Tony Stark is a DICK! He get's a few heroes killed, tries to take She-Hulk's powers... What the hell is Joe Quesada thinking? In any event, I am not buying any of this new Marvel garbage, and besides, Hulk hasn't moved a planet yet, so until he does, Superman is still the strongest And don't get me started on Spider-Man. He is a boy, a boy trapped in an adult metahuman's body. Look at the way he fawned all over Cap in Civil War. When he does grow up, I hope he grows a sack as well...
