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clancop Posts: 403 Registered: Apr '08	Date Posted: 5/20 9:39pm Subject: RE: Aquaman...wow
	Well yes and no. While one can argue in favour or against a comic company, things like maturity, character depth and simple target audience can be easily gained from marketing strategies and past productions. I ain't a bandwagon jumper, matter of fact, I was one of the first to state the case for DC on this forum, but when you take into account what I said about marketing, it is more black and white then simply grey when it comes to answers. Also, yes, Aquaman can be one of the better characters, but much like Superman, he has had difficulties shaking the "Super Friends" persona and isn't that popular because of it. With Superman and his "five o'clock shadow" I say give Aquaman his beard and a "chip on his shoulder" and I will be happy.
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---Scorpion--- Posts: 865 Registered: Apr '08	Date Posted: 5/21 5:38pm Subject: RE: Aquaman...wow
	Bassua255 posted: ---Scorpion--- posted: Bassua255 posted: [quote=---Scorpion---][quote=Bassua255][quote=---Scorpion---][quote=Bassua255]If Shao Kahn can kill Onaga, Superman can. Raiden can be beaten by him too, if not, Raiden would've easily defeated Shang Tsung, Shao Kahn, Shinnok (2nd Run) and the Deadly Alliance by himself. Superman is unfair and will defeat anyone. Were not sure who beat onaga, shao kahn may not have at all, and Raiden relinquished his statis to fight meaning he didn't have full power. so your wrong Keep trying buddy, Raiden got the power he relinquished after MK4 and he relinquished it in the events of MK5(DA) so...he never got to use this power and it is long gone. Remember the Dragon King was REVIVED from his death at the hands of Shao Kahn. We KNOW Shao Kahn killed Onaga in the past. Read Kahns Bio and Ending in Deception. Raiden cannot switch between God and Elder. He is a simple god now. Hell, he always was. Onaga's MKA Bio also states that Shujinko defeated him, we don't fully know if it is canon, but that says it is possible for him to be defeated by Shujinko at the least. What do you know about Raiden? He was a God in MK1-4 and Liu Kang prevailed, not him. His effort got him "promoted" to Elder God at the end of MK4. In MK5 he relinquished this Elder God Status in order to fight because his "Champion" died. He lost. He killed himself and Onaga survived his "Full-Power" explosion holding the Amulet, only to have Onaga defeated anyway. Raiden then became corrupt and then used his Champion's body to protect him as a bodyguard because he knew Liu could do it. Ouch. Kahn only killed Onaga becasue he poisened him, not by force, he cant do that, and Raiden was not full power!! he can't fight full power in the actual MK tournament. and you act like Raidens weaker because he can't kill Onaga...ITS ONAGA!!![/quote] Keep talking about Raiden and "Full Power" because he'll never have it in kombat. Nor will we ever get to use it. Remember that Superman is Superman too, and you would be a fool to honestly believe anybody can take him out with raw power without dying themselves. Have you seen Doomsdays abilities? He gains immunity to previous attacks. The fact that Superman can even keep up with him is amazing, let alone have the fight be a draw. Neither of them won or lost, and they are both still alive (Superman DID come back from death). No stoppin Superman. I have no doubt in my mind that Onaga could fall to Superman. You can be right on the not easily on Onaga part. But Raiden? No. Full Power isn't gonna happen.[/quote] Once again we have one of those "ohh superman is invincible" guys. haha no! HES NOT!! he only survived because its a comic book! had Doomsday and Supergay fought in MK, superman would be dead! i dont think he can survive being torn in half. and Raiden wasn't full power, thats exactly my point!! and No, thers no way Superman can beat onaga easy like you say he can. nope your mistaken[/quote] lol...your one of those guys who says he only survived because it's a comic book. FYI, he only exists because it's a comic book. Just like Onaga only exists because it's a video game, that point is extremely irrelevant and means nothing to me. If you DO read anything I write, I have already agreed with you on Onaga not falling easily. But I have no doubt that he can fall to him. Hell, we don't even know if Elder Gods are any stronger than regular Gods. I think all it is, is a higher plateau of authority. Raiden isn't invincible, nor is the Dragon King or they would have never lost to ANYONE, including Shujinko.[/quote] Ok you have a point, mabey I would have worded it better by saying Superman only survived because DC is not about to let their precious little jewel get torn in half, thats why they dont want fatalities, they dont want any of the MK universe killing DC characters like that. had Superman and Doomsday fought in MK there would be no problem with superman getting ripped to nothing! but then again DC will come up with some redicilous power that says "ohh superman has infinity arms and legs and everything!" hahaha DC never fails to deliver the redicilous! and I have no doubt in my mind that Onaga can kill Superman! I have no doubt that if Superman and Scorpion fought in the netherrealm Superman would have to get the hell out or he would get beat like a cheap hooker! hes not invincible is my main point! -----signature----- Summary: Muay Thai fighter, HUGE MK fan, Loved Scorpion since 1776 ohhhh and Green Lantern SUCKS!!
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Lastenemy Posts: 30 Registered: May '08	Date Posted: 5/21 8:42pm Subject: RE: Aquaman...wow
	He is invincible. None of the mortal kombat charecters can scratch him. Why else would they have come up with a way to make him vulnerable. Quotes from gamespot: Comic fans would no doubt cry foul if Superman dismembered an opponent and then proceeded to beat him to death with his own limbs You think they are afraid of Superman getting hurt? The cataclysm in the story is driven by magic, which is a handy device that is tapped for the gameplay. The mystic elements that run through the story help keep the fighting balanced as it helps make a conflict between Superman, whose only vulnerability is magic, and characters like Sub-Zero and Scorpion, actually make some sense Get it? Superman would otherwise be invincible to them if it werent for the situation.
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Madcap Posts: 779 Registered: Apr '08	Date Posted: 5/21 11:07pm Subject: RE: Aquaman...wow
	Not completely invincible, but some of the MK fighters would be able to hurt him, thus the depowering thing. ---Scorpion--- posted: I have no doubt that if Superman and Scorpion fought in the netherrealm Superman would have to get the hell out or he would get beat like a cheap hooker! hes not invincible is my main point! While I agree that he's far from being completely invincible, there has been times where he's been on a Hell-like realm fighting creatures arguably more powerful than Scorpy and still won. Of course he had his full powers at that point, so that's to be considered.
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Bassua255 Posts: 336 Registered: Apr '08	Date Posted: 5/22 6:32am Subject: RE: Aquaman...wow - Date Edited: 5/22 7:12am (1 edits total) Edited By: Bassua255
	---Scorpion--- posted: Ok you have a point, mabey I would have worded it better by saying Superman only survived because DC is not about to let their precious little jewel get torn in half, thats why they dont want fatalities, they dont want any of the MK universe killing DC characters like that. had Superman and Doomsday fought in MK there would be no problem with superman getting ripped to nothing! but then again DC will come up with some redicilous power that says "ohh superman has infinity arms and legs and everything!" hahaha DC never fails to deliver the redicilous! and I have no doubt in my mind that Onaga can kill Superman! I have no doubt that if Superman and Scorpion fought in the netherrealm Superman would have to get the hell out or he would get beat like a cheap hooker! hes not invincible is my main point! Listen man, DC could have killed Superman, it was Superman fans that didn't want him gone. The new Supermen that rose after his death were easily going to replace him. But fans loved Clark Kent, and didn't want to see him leave. Just like Sub-Zero. He was maskless and everyone complained "Where is the good Sub-Zero" they then gave him a mask and called it a day. I mean, look at Mortal Kombat. THEY never fail to deliver the ridiculous., as much as I love it. Example: Scorpion. MK1: Revenge for his death to kill Sub-Zero. MK2: Mission complete, but he suspects Sub-Zero's brother for Sub-Zero, after learning otherwise, he leaves it alone. UMK3: The merger between Earth and Outworld allow Scorpion to stay in Earthrealm. (Excuse for inclusion when storywise unnecessary) MK4: Out to defeat Sub-Zero, after the events of MK4, he learns Quan Chi was responsible for everything. MKDA: With new evidence of Quan Chi, he plans on finding him to make him pay. MKD: With Quan Chi dead, he gets thrown into the Void and the Elder Gods decide to make him their Champion to defeat Onaga. MKA: Revenge on the Elder Gods for carrying out his mission. You see the problem here? UMK3 had no place for Scorpion, but fan demand was so high for Scorpion, they had to pull this out of their ass to make him playable. MK4 showed Scorpion working for Quan Chi under "Ulterior Motives" In his ending, he reveals he was to defeat Sub-Zero to avenge his family and clan so his soul could rest. When he learned in MK2 that this wasn't the same Sub-Zero and spared him...waiting two tournaments later to change his mind? Quan Chi then revealed to him it was he who had done it. MKD showed Scorpion as a Hero to save the universe from Onaga. Another excuse to include him. MKA's Konquest states that Scorpion was not given what he was promised for carrying out his mission and would make the Elder Gods pay for their treachery. We learn in Onaga's Bio (posted by Midway) that Shujinko defeated him, not Scorpion. It's all the fans. There was no place for Scorpion until MKDA, but fans wanted him so bad because he was iconic, that they made random stuff up to give him back to us. The same can be said about Superman, fan demand is as high for him as for Scorpion, hence his survival. I don't mean any harm to you by the way man, I'm not attacking you saying "You are wrong," I'm just stating my knowledge and opinions, so don't take it personal. I would really like to keep this an Aquaman Topic, so if you want to continue debating, I would like to take it elsewhere. But I would be more than glad to. -----signature----- Think PiNK. Bass Kicks Ass.
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CrimsonAvenger Posts: 841 Registered: Apr '08	Date Posted: 5/22 7:35am Subject: RE: Aquaman...wow
	---Scorpion--- posted: Reptile917 posted: Bassua255 posted: Yeah, I know what you mean...It's easy to think MK vs DC means MK vs Superheroes...everyone (who likes the idea anyway) thought things like "Oh! Spider-Man! Iron Man! X-Men! Punisher! The Hulk!...wait...awww that's Marvel...We only get Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman and Aquaman...that sucks". Marvel is miles better, but DC is cool to me too. marvel is not better than DC. the only thing better about marvel is that some of their guys are willing to kill. man i wish DC characters killed. superman, batman, green lantern, the flash, and the joker are better than anything marvel has to offer. also i like aquaman....hes only cool under water though, that shouldnt take away from him having a really cool background and cool powers. NO NO!! Marvel is waaaaaaay better than DC!! Please explain why you believe this. -----signature----- K.C.G.W.N.L.F.S.M.S.T.3.K. PS3+XBOX360+Wii I'm A Geek Savant. Let's Make America Great Again!
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Bassua255 Posts: 336 Registered: Apr '08	Date Posted: 5/22 7:45am Subject: RE: Aquaman...wow
	CrimsonAvenger posted: ---Scorpion--- posted: Reptile917 posted: [quote=Bassua255]Yeah, I know what you mean...It's easy to think MK vs DC means MK vs Superheroes...everyone (who likes the idea anyway) thought things like "Oh! Spider-Man! Iron Man! X-Men! Punisher! The Hulk!...wait...awww that's Marvel...We only get Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman and Aquaman...that sucks". Marvel is miles better, but DC is cool to me too. marvel is not better than DC. the only thing better about marvel is that some of their guys are willing to kill. man i wish DC characters killed. superman, batman, green lantern, the flash, and the joker are better than anything marvel has to offer. also i like aquaman....hes only cool under water though, that shouldnt take away from him having a really cool background and cool powers. NO NO!! Marvel is waaaaaaay better than DC!! Please explain why you believe this.[/quote] You probably aren't talking to me, but I know I have changed my mind since that post. I believe that DC is much better than Marvel after the realization that I don't hate anyone from DC. I think Batman alone is cooler than anything Marvel has to offer. I myself, am a Spider-Man fan, but Spider-Man's villains seem kinda lame to me. Like, Hammerhead, Doc Oc, Kingpin, Lizard ect. Carnage and Sandman are pretty cool. Well, I love Carnage. Even Batman's lame villains rock, like the Penguin. He is a genius and rides a Rubber Ducky. How cool is that? My all-time favorite villain also happens to be the Joker. -----signature----- Think PiNK. Bass Kicks Ass.
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BetaRay Posts: 80 Registered: May '08	Date Posted: 5/22 7:47am Subject: RE: Aquaman...wow
	---Scorpion--- posted: Bassua255 posted: ---Scorpion--- posted: [quote=Bassua255][quote=---Scorpion---][quote=Bassua255][quote=---Scorpion---][quote=Bassua255]If Shao Kahn can kill Onaga, Superman can. Raiden can be beaten by him too, if not, Raiden would've easily defeated Shang Tsung, Shao Kahn, Shinnok (2nd Run) and the Deadly Alliance by himself. Superman is unfair and will defeat anyone. Were not sure who beat onaga, shao kahn may not have at all, and Raiden relinquished his statis to fight meaning he didn't have full power. so your wrong Keep trying buddy, Raiden got the power he relinquished after MK4 and he relinquished it in the events of MK5(DA) so...he never got to use this power and it is long gone. Remember the Dragon King was REVIVED from his death at the hands of Shao Kahn. We KNOW Shao Kahn killed Onaga in the past. Read Kahns Bio and Ending in Deception. Raiden cannot switch between God and Elder. He is a simple god now. Hell, he always was. Onaga's MKA Bio also states that Shujinko defeated him, we don't fully know if it is canon, but that says it is possible for him to be defeated by Shujinko at the least. What do you know about Raiden? He was a God in MK1-4 and Liu Kang prevailed, not him. His effort got him "promoted" to Elder God at the end of MK4. In MK5 he relinquished this Elder God Status in order to fight because his "Champion" died. He lost. He killed himself and Onaga survived his "Full-Power" explosion holding the Amulet, only to have Onaga defeated anyway. Raiden then became corrupt and then used his Champion's body to protect him as a bodyguard because he knew Liu could do it. Ouch. Kahn only killed Onaga becasue he poisened him, not by force, he cant do that, and Raiden was not full power!! he can't fight full power in the actual MK tournament. and you act like Raidens weaker because he can't kill Onaga...ITS ONAGA!!![/quote] Keep talking about Raiden and "Full Power" because he'll never have it in kombat. Nor will we ever get to use it. Remember that Superman is Superman too, and you would be a fool to honestly believe anybody can take him out with raw power without dying themselves. Have you seen Doomsdays abilities? He gains immunity to previous attacks. The fact that Superman can even keep up with him is amazing, let alone have the fight be a draw. Neither of them won or lost, and they are both still alive (Superman DID come back from death). No stoppin Superman. I have no doubt in my mind that Onaga could fall to Superman. You can be right on the not easily on Onaga part. But Raiden? No. Full Power isn't gonna happen.[/quote] Once again we have one of those "ohh superman is invincible" guys. haha no! HES NOT!! he only survived because its a comic book! had Doomsday and Supergay fought in MK, superman would be dead! i dont think he can survive being torn in half. and Raiden wasn't full power, thats exactly my point!! and No, thers no way Superman can beat onaga easy like you say he can. nope your mistaken[/quote] lol...your one of those guys who says he only survived because it's a comic book. FYI, he only exists because it's a comic book. Just like Onaga only exists because it's a video game, that point is extremely irrelevant and means nothing to me. If you DO read anything I write, I have already agreed with you on Onaga not falling easily. But I have no doubt that he can fall to him. Hell, we don't even know if Elder Gods are any stronger than regular Gods. I think all it is, is a higher plateau of authority. Raiden isn't invincible, nor is the Dragon King or they would have never lost to ANYONE, including Shujinko.[/quote] Ok you have a point, mabey I would have worded it better by saying Superman only survived because DC is not about to let their precious little jewel get torn in half, thats why they dont want fatalities, they dont want any of the MK universe killing DC characters like that. had Superman and Doomsday fought in MK there would be no problem with superman getting ripped to nothing! but then again DC will come up with some redicilous power that says "ohh superman has infinity arms and legs and everything!" hahaha DC never fails to deliver the redicilous! and I have no doubt in my mind that Onaga can kill Superman! I have no doubt that if Superman and Scorpion fought in the netherrealm Superman would have to get the hell out or he would get beat like a cheap hooker! hes not invincible is my main point! [/quote] He's is not invincible, but he is "faster than a speeding bullet." Superman would tear Scorpion in half like a phone book before Scorpy could say "toasty!" Also, since Scorpion isn't really human, Superman could easily throw him into the sun without violating his "no killing" code.
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CrimsonAvenger Posts: 841 Registered: Apr '08	Date Posted: 5/22 8:00am Subject: RE: Aquaman...wow
	I used to be a hardcore Marvel fan, but I find myself enjoying DC more and more. Some people talk of DC not being able to keep up with Marvel these days, I would like to see proof of that, I'm not talking about how many movies have been made (I don't care) I'm talking about stories. DC has been weaving just as intricate plot lines as Marvel used to. C.O.I.E. and I.C. revealed a new dedication to existing stories and making sure we recognize their effects while keeping them relevant. 52 continued this commitment and further expanded how we should view the universe. With the Sinestro Corps. plot we saw a completely new degree of humanizing these characters and the promise of more to come (In Blackest Night). Final Crisis promises to be epic, hopefully bringing a degree of closure while subtly initializing multiple set ups for more to come. The only amazing thing I've read from Marvel recently is Secret Invasion, which is pretty predictable. I don't care how good Marvel's movies are, if they can't back them up with substantial material its all for naught. -----signature----- K.C.G.W.N.L.F.S.M.S.T.3.K. PS3+XBOX360+Wii I'm A Geek Savant. Let's Make America Great Again!
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Bassua255 Posts: 336 Registered: Apr '08	Date Posted: 5/22 8:03am Subject: RE: Aquaman...wow
	CrimsonAvenger posted: I used to be a hardcore Marvel fan, but I find myself enjoying DC more and more. Some people talk of DC not being able to keep up with Marvel these days, I would like to see proof of that, I'm not talking about how many movies have been made (I don't care) I'm talking about stories. DC has been weaving just as intricate plot lines as Marvel used to. C.O.I.E. and I.C. revealed a new dedication to existing stories and making sure we recognize their effects while keeping them relevant. 52 continued this commitment and further expanded how we should view the universe. With the Sinestro Corps. plot we saw a completely new degree of humanizing these characters and the promise of more to come (In Blackest Night). Final Crisis promises to be epic, hopefully bringing a degree of closure while subtly initializing multiple set ups for more to come. The only amazing thing I've read from Marvel recently is Secret Invasion, which is pretty predictable. I don't care how good Marvel's movies are, if they can't back them up with substantial material its all for naught. Also, keep in mind that DC has been making movies for a LONG time...they had too many movies back in the day. Marvel didn't have as many before. They are just coming out of nowhere now with several movies. -----signature----- Think PiNK. Bass Kicks Ass.
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CrimsonAvenger Posts: 841 Registered: Apr '08	Date Posted: 5/22 8:06am Subject: RE: Aquaman...wow
	Few can remember the horror that was Dolph Lundgren as The Punisher, Live action spiderman t.v. show, and the Roger Corman Fantastic Four. -----signature----- K.C.G.W.N.L.F.S.M.S.T.3.K. PS3+XBOX360+Wii I'm A Geek Savant. Let's Make America Great Again!
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---Scorpion--- Posts: 865 Registered: Apr '08	Date Posted: 5/22 2:16pm Subject: RE: Aquaman...wow
	Bassua255 posted: ---Scorpion--- posted: Ok you have a point, mabey I would have worded it better by saying Superman only survived because DC is not about to let their precious little jewel get torn in half, thats why they dont want fatalities, they dont want any of the MK universe killing DC characters like that. had Superman and Doomsday fought in MK there would be no problem with superman getting ripped to nothing! but then again DC will come up with some redicilous power that says "ohh superman has infinity arms and legs and everything!" hahaha DC never fails to deliver the redicilous! and I have no doubt in my mind that Onaga can kill Superman! I have no doubt that if Superman and Scorpion fought in the netherrealm Superman would have to get the hell out or he would get beat like a cheap hooker! hes not invincible is my main point! Listen man, DC could have killed Superman, it was Superman fans that didn't want him gone. The new Supermen that rose after his death were easily going to replace him. But fans loved Clark Kent, and didn't want to see him leave. Just like Sub-Zero. He was maskless and everyone complained "Where is the good Sub-Zero" they then gave him a mask and called it a day. I mean, look at Mortal Kombat. THEY never fail to deliver the ridiculous., as much as I love it. Example: Scorpion. MK1: Revenge for his death to kill Sub-Zero. MK2: Mission complete, but he suspects Sub-Zero's brother for Sub-Zero, after learning otherwise, he leaves it alone. UMK3: The merger between Earth and Outworld allow Scorpion to stay in Earthrealm. (Excuse for inclusion when storywise unnecessary) MK4: Out to defeat Sub-Zero, after the events of MK4, he learns Quan Chi was responsible for everything. MKDA: With new evidence of Quan Chi, he plans on finding him to make him pay. MKD: With Quan Chi dead, he gets thrown into the Void and the Elder Gods decide to make him their Champion to defeat Onaga. MKA: Revenge on the Elder Gods for carrying out his mission. You see the problem here? UMK3 had no place for Scorpion, but fan demand was so high for Scorpion, they had to pull this out of their ass to make him playable. MK4 showed Scorpion working for Quan Chi under "Ulterior Motives" In his ending, he reveals he was to defeat Sub-Zero to avenge his family and clan so his soul could rest. When he learned in MK2 that this wasn't the same Sub-Zero and spared him...waiting two tournaments later to change his mind? Quan Chi then revealed to him it was he who had done it. MKD showed Scorpion as a Hero to save the universe from Onaga. Another excuse to include him. MKA's Konquest states that Scorpion was not given what he was promised for carrying out his mission and would make the Elder Gods pay for their treachery. We learn in Onaga's Bio (posted by Midway) that Shujinko defeated him, not Scorpion. It's all the fans. There was no place for Scorpion until MKDA, but fans wanted him so bad because he was iconic, that they made random stuff up to give him back to us. The same can be said about Superman, fan demand is as high for him as for Scorpion, hence his survival. I don't mean any harm to you by the way man, I'm not attacking you saying "You are wrong," I'm just stating my knowledge and opinions, so don't take it personal. I would really like to keep this an Aquaman Topic, so if you want to continue debating, I would like to take it elsewhere. But I would be more than glad to. K man, good points, but any point about Scorpion im MK is not completly out of whack, i think DC's scenarios are completly redicilous, like how everyone is super this and super that. or how they come back with one heart beat. I think MK's use of things is faaaar less redicilous that DC -----signature----- Summary: Muay Thai fighter, HUGE MK fan, Loved Scorpion since 1776 ohhhh and Green Lantern SUCKS!!
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---Scorpion--- Posts: 865 Registered: Apr '08	Date Posted: 5/22 2:17pm Subject: RE: Aquaman...wow
	CrimsonAvenger posted: ---Scorpion--- posted: Reptile917 posted: [quote=Bassua255]Yeah, I know what you mean...It's easy to think MK vs DC means MK vs Superheroes...everyone (who likes the idea anyway) thought things like "Oh! Spider-Man! Iron Man! X-Men! Punisher! The Hulk!...wait...awww that's Marvel...We only get Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman and Aquaman...that sucks". Marvel is miles better, but DC is cool to me too. marvel is not better than DC. the only thing better about marvel is that some of their guys are willing to kill. man i wish DC characters killed. superman, batman, green lantern, the flash, and the joker are better than anything marvel has to offer. also i like aquaman....hes only cool under water though, that shouldnt take away from him having a really cool background and cool powers. NO NO!! Marvel is waaaaaaay better than DC!! Please explain why you believe this.[/quote] Bluntly becasue DC's too lame! with the exceptions, Batman, and some JLA teh rest, completly usless, not interesting and the same power mimiced through every charcter!! -----signature----- Summary: Muay Thai fighter, HUGE MK fan, Loved Scorpion since 1776 ohhhh and Green Lantern SUCKS!!