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In-Shellait 
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Date Posted: 12/4/07 7:05am Subject: MKSM is canon - Date Edited: 12/4/07 7:16am (2 edits total) Edited By: In-Shellait
There are discussion about Shaolin Monks: is it canon or not. Yes, it is. It was confirmed as canon by MK-Team on Fight Night. SM mostly retcons MK2 and MK2 Comic Book. MK4 and MK1 comics are canon since they are written by canon storywriter (MK1 comic) and based on the story by Tobias (MK4 comic). They also don't really contradict anything and instructions to buy them were with the games themselves. MK2 comic book was canon but SM retconned it. Still, some facts from MK2 and comics can be considered canon: King Gorbak, technological advances in Lin Kuei, general scheme of Shang Tsung's and Shao Kahn's plan, younger Sub-Zero's mercifulness and some characters prehistories.
About "contradictions" in SM:
Deaths. As stated by MK-Team, some fatalities are non-canon. So:
Kano: this was secret fight that means it was non-canon.
Goro: he might be able to survive Johnny Cge's Shadow Kick. About him being discovered after the tournament. Well, it was only ,entioned that Mileena found him. Since Mileena was killed, knowledge of Goro being alive coild die with her. Goro also might be thought dead shortly after MK1 - after his defeat at the hands of Earth's warriors.
Shang Tsung: I don't hink this fatality was canon. He was just beaten in kombat, lost some souls and was imprisoned once again.
Kintaro: this fatality may or may not be canon, since Kintaro was killed by Raiden after MK2. If this fatality was non-canon, this nicely explains how Kintaro returned between MK4 and MKDA.
Jade and Reptile: their soul were absorbed by Shang Tsung. So, after Tsung's defeat, their soul might return to bodies.
Scorpion: this fatality could be non-canon. Even if it was Scorpion is a specter and that area seemed to be some fiery pit in the lower planes of the Netherealm where Scorpion has maximum of his powers. He could survive the lava (he survived acid in MKDA). If his soul was taken by Shang Tsung, he could simply return to the Netherealm after Tsung's defeat.
Baraka: this fatality was non-canon. Baraka could escape after being wounded by Soul Swords.
Shao Kahn: I think he survived thanks to Shadow Priests and some back-up spell of incredible power. After that Kahn could send Jade and Reptile to continue hunt for Kitana thus ruining her plans of freeing Edenia.
Jax:
Jax was guided through Outworld by less-powerful Raiden so I think that Raiden helped Jax with the portal.
Quan Chi's appearance:
It was stated by Mileena in Armageddon that Quan Chi has not been down Shao Kahn's dungeon for ages. So, he was most likely captured by Shao Kahn for some reason. Real Shinnok's Amulet was taken from Quan Chi, but shortly before SM end Quan Chi escaped and got Amulet back from Shao Kahn's remains. On other hand, it was mentioned that the Amulet from SM ending might not be Shinnok's Amulet. Also, in MK4 Shinnok doesn't have the fake Amulet. I mean, he was released from the Netherealm ad returned (that was mere illusion created by Quan Chi, who had the real Amulet) hos power as an Elder God not with the help of fake Amulet, but he could get the fake one during his war against the Elder Gods (this explain the render where he holds Amulet Staff).
Spell on Kitana:
Mileena mentioned that Kitana was under spell to "control her". So, Kitana discovered thuth about her past during her years as assasin and shortly before SM decided to got away from Kahn. She was putten under spell erasing her memories.
Reptile not serving Shang Tsung:
Nothing wrong here. He have been recruited by Shao Kahn himself, so he was no longer Shnag Tsung's bodyguard. He could revert to human-like skin.
Black Dragon and Red Dragon:
Group of Black Dragon henchmen went to Wasteland in search for Kano. Few Red Dragon warriors followed them.
Sub-Zero and Noob Saibot:
If Sub-Zero pursued Noob Saibot that doesn't mean that he was successful in it. So, they have not met in SM. It is unclear was Sub-Zero sent to assasinate Shang Tsung or not. Since there is nothing that contradicts this, I think he was sent to kill Tsung, but wasn't successful and began his search for Noob Saibot who was spying over the events for Shinnok.
Scorpion being after Sub-Zero, Liu Kang and Kung Lao:
It was stated in MKDA Konquest that Quan Chi told Scorpion that younger Sub-Zero was in fact murderer of Shirai Ruy and Scorpion's family and Scoprion was after Sub-Zero for years. So, he went to Outworld to confront Sub-Zero. He wanted to kill Liu and Kung Lao because they could help Sub-Zero since he didn't know why they went to the Netherealm.
Sub-Zero's scar:
His scar was never officially explained before SM. Sub-Zero being scarred during his escape from Lin Kuei was just fan theory.
Elder Sub-Zero killed after the tournament:
He was killed after the tournament according to MK2 comic book.
Liu Kang present during attack on Shaolin Temples:
Wu Shi Academy is just one of the Shaolin Temples and not primary stronghold of White Lotus Society, ehich was attacked. So, nothing wrong here.
Warrior Shrine location:
It was never oficially confirmed that Warrior Shrine was on Shang Tsung's island. Also, statues there in MK1 are non-canon.

 

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Reptile54  727 posts
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Date Posted: 12/4/07 6:25pm Subject: RE: MKSM is canon - Date Edited: 12/4/07 6:27pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Reptile54
peace Not bad. Those are some pretty good explanations for how MKSM could fit into the story. I would really like to find out what really hapened to Kintaro though. oh, and welcome to the midway boards.

 

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Date Posted: 12/4/07 7:23pm Subject: RE: MKSM is canon
Those are some good arguments, but a few things in MKSM still stick out a bit on the unexplained side.

 

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Date Posted: 12/8/07 4:19am Subject: RE: MKSM is canon - Date Edited: 12/8/07 4:20am (1 edits total) Edited By: Alcarde
This game also states that Kitana's homeland is Outworld.

Jax can open portals on his own, something that couldn't be done until after MKT. Jax and Sonya's MK3 bios prove that the U.S. government knew nothing about Outworld, so I doubt they have the ability to cross dimensions.

Reptile's MK2 Bio says he serves as Tsung's bodyguard.

I can understand Scorpion attacking Liu Kang and Kung Lao.

Quan Chi had the tattoos he gained from Onaga's scrolls in MKDA, not to mention Kahn had the amulet.

Every villain who canonically lived died (with the possible exception of Kintaro, that's still up in the air), with the exception of Mileena, who died in the main story but lived nonetheless. Her death is the reason for her siding with Shinnok in MKG.

Goro was presumed dead after being beaten by Liu Kang in MK1 (proven wrong by his appearance in MK4), it's a good chance that he fled to Outworld, but not alongside everyone else, for that matter.

On the matter of going to Outworld, why were Scorpion and Kano following along willingly? The vice versa applied with Sub-Zero, why was he, for the most part, portrayed as a good guy? Pretty sure the Lin Kuei were neutral characters in MK1.

Scorpion went after Sub-Zero jr because he thought he was the same Sub-Zero he killed. He was told (or came up with the theory in his own mind) that Sub-Zero jr was apart of the destruction of the Shirai Ryu after they fought in MK2.


Some major retconning needs to be done if MKSM is to be accepted as canon.

 

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Date Posted: 12/8/07 10:51am Subject: RE: MKSM is canon
Well, Edenia and Outworld were combined realms at that time. Kitana spent alomost all her life in Outworld. Als, there was no clear statement that Kitana's homeland is Outworld.
Jax can't open the portals. Raiden did. Just like at the end of MK2 (see MK3 intro).
There is explanations (some speculations, some have more to do with the current facts) in me post.
Mileena died after MK2 and after MKSM. She also dies in MKSM secret fight as I recall.
Quan Chi hadn't tatoos on his arms. And the tatoos on his head are just model error such as Shang Tsung not being old man in MKD Konquest before MK1.
Reptile's MK2 bio was retconned as well as the game itself. Before SM he served as Shang Tsung's bodyguard as seen in SM intro.
Alcarde posted:
Goro was presumed dead after being beaten by Liu Kang in MK1 (proven wrong by his appearance in MK4), it's a good chance that he fled to Outworld, but not alongside everyone else, for that matter

Yes, it's obvious. He was discovered by Mileena, but Mileena died very soon. He also might be thought dead shortly after his MK1 defeat. Anyway, his SM role in't contradiction to the whole storyline.
Alcarde posted:
Scorpion went after Sub-Zero jr because he thought he was the same Sub-Zero he killed. He was told (or came up with the theory in his own mind) that Sub-Zero jr was apart of the destruction of the Shirai Ryu after they fought in MK2.

This was retconned in MKDA. MKDA's Konquest clearly states that Quan Chi framed Sub-Zero Jr. for killing Shirai Ruy and Scorpion's family.
I mentioned the clue about Kahn's possesion of the Amulet in my post.

 

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Date Posted: 12/8/07 2:59pm Subject: RE: MKSM is canon
In-Shellait posted:
Well, Edenia and Outworld were combined realms at that time. Kitana spent alomost all her life in Outworld. Als, there was no clear statement that Kitana's homeland is Outworld.
Jax can't open the portals. Raiden did. Just like at the end of MK2 (see MK3 intro).
There is explanations (some speculations, some have more to do with the current facts) in me post.
Mileena died after MK2 and after MKSM. She also dies in MKSM secret fight as I recall.
Quan Chi hadn't tatoos on his arms. And the tatoos on his head are just model error such as Shang Tsung not being old man in MKD Konquest before MK1.
Reptile's MK2 bio was retconned as well as the game itself. Before SM he served as Shang Tsung's bodyguard as seen in SM intro.
Alcarde posted:
Goro was presumed dead after being beaten by Liu Kang in MK1 (proven wrong by his appearance in MK4), it's a good chance that he fled to Outworld, but not alongside everyone else, for that matter

Yes, it's obvious. He was discovered by Mileena, but Mileena died very soon. He also might be thought dead shortly after his MK1 defeat. Anyway, his SM role in't contradiction to the whole storyline.
Alcarde posted:
Scorpion went after Sub-Zero jr because he thought he was the same Sub-Zero he killed. He was told (or came up with the theory in his own mind) that Sub-Zero jr was apart of the destruction of the Shirai Ryu after they fought in MK2.

This was retconned in MKDA. MKDA's Konquest clearly states that Quan Chi framed Sub-Zero Jr. for killing Shirai Ruy and Scorpion's family.
I mentioned the clue about Kahn's possesion of the Amulet in my post.


My mistake, thanks for getting that about Scorp's situation, though I'm pretty sure it was Jax that opened the portal home after fighting Kano.

 

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Date Posted: 12/8/07 3:15pm Subject: RE: MKSM is canon
Actually Jax opened that portal. Raiden was unconcious, remember? But to understand how Jax managed to open that portal, you have to go back.... way back... back to 2000, when Mortal Kombat Special Forces was released.

In the game, there was this mystical stone called the Eye of Chitian. It's origins were in Outworld and Jax used it to transport himself and Kano back to Earthrealm, then we don't know the outcome of the stone. Now, don't you think after facing interdimensional threats, wouldn't Jax keep the stone in Earthrealm? I believe he did, and the Eye of Chitian was the starting point for the portal technology discovered in MK3. I can't think of another explanation for that, every human soul on the planed gets sucked into a portal, and when all the souls return, they miraculously create artifical portals?

I'm thinking because of his prior experience in Outworld, Jax took the Eye of Chitian with him and opened the portal to Earthrealm using the stone.

(And I think I remember a scene with Jax talking on the radio, another reference to MKSF, where Jax had a contact named Gemini, whom he spoke on the radio)

 

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Date Posted: 12/8/07 11:31pm Subject: RE: MKSM is canon
Dmr2hn1 posted:
Actually Jax opened that portal. Raiden was unconcious, remember? But to understand how Jax managed to open that portal, you have to go back.... way back... back to 2000, when Mortal Kombat Special Forces was released.

In the game, there was this mystical stone called the Eye of Chitian. It's origins were in Outworld and Jax used it to transport himself and Kano back to Earthrealm, then we don't know the outcome of the stone. Now, don't you think after facing interdimensional threats, wouldn't Jax keep the stone in Earthrealm? I believe he did, and the Eye of Chitian was the starting point for the portal technology discovered in MK3. I can't think of another explanation for that, every human soul on the planed gets sucked into a portal, and when all the souls return, they miraculously create artifical portals?

I'm thinking because of his prior experience in Outworld, Jax took the Eye of Chitian with him and opened the portal to Earthrealm using the stone.

(And I think I remember a scene with Jax talking on the radio, another reference to MKSF, where Jax had a contact named Gemini, whom he spoke on the radio)

There is good chance that Jax used Eye of Shititan. But it's still possible that Raiden opened the portal (just like at MK2 end). I think that Kung Lao and Liu Kang weren't present at Jax's battle with Kano. This fight could took place when monks were fighting Shang Tsung and Kintaro. During this time, raiden regained conciousness.
There is also some chance that Eye helped Special Forces to create portal technology, but I don't thnik so, since it was stated that they used science, not magic.

 

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Date Posted: 1/21 12:51pm Subject: RE: MKSM is canon
If Sub-Zero pursued Noob Saibot that doesn't mean that he was successful in it. So, they have not met in SM. It is unclear was Sub-Zero sent to assasinate Shang Tsung or not. Since there is nothing that contradicts this, I think he was sent to kill Tsung, but wasn't successful and began his search for Noob Saibot who was spying over the events for Shinnok.

it's not true sub zero in sm alreafdy knows that Noob Saibot is his older brother.in the canonical storyline he discovers it in mk deception.

in SM the entire role of jax was uncanon:in the mk2 original final fight,against shao kahn you can clearly see kano and sonya still trapped,so i think that earthrealm heroes helped sonya and kano,AFTER beating shao kahn.

liu never(NEVER) killed shao kahn,he just defeat him,forcing him to release all the soul of mankind


raiden haven't the power to transform his enemies in stone

ermac role n SM is not canonical

in original mk2 storyline kitana killed Mileena,in SM Mileena escapes

Kano dies in mk SM,when instead he should escape

baraka should be sliced from vertical side,infact in mk gold he have a scar on his chest

the fight in the kahn arena aren't two vs one fights,as we understand in the cut scenes,but kung lao should be trapped with cage and kitana.Liu Kang defeated shang,kintaro and shao alone.(maybe he killed kintaro with rayden's help)

 

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Date Posted: 3/3 1:38pm Subject: RE: MKSM is canon
I think all the deaths were canon.

I think Shang Tsung's MKA bio explained this perfectly. It says that everyone working for Shao Kahn swore loyalty to Shao Kahn and that if they ever die then their souls will be brought back to Shao Kahn, where resurrection is possible by putting them in new bodies. This could have easily been the case for all of Kahn's minions that died in MKSM.

 

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Date Posted: 3/6 3:08pm Subject: RE: MKSM is canon
How could they be placed in new bodies? They look the same, therefore theyre souls return to their corpse, after much healing, provided by Shang Tsung.

 

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Date Posted: 3/6 3:31pm Subject: RE: MKSM is canon
xplayermk posted:
How could they be placed in new bodies? They look the same, therefore theyre souls return to their corpse, after much healing, provided by Shang Tsung.


In an instant, Raiden’s blast destroyed us all! Our souls intertwined, we did battle in the ether. But I was drawn away by a magic more powerful than death. My essence returned to Outworld, where I found myself face to face with Shao Kahn! He was alive! Quan Chi and I had slain him in his fortress—or so we thought. Yet here he stood. At his side was the Shokan prince, Goro! My ghostly visage startled them at first, but Shao Kahn knew what had transpired. Long ago I had pledged my soul to the emperor. That pledge was binding even beyond death. But if he were to die, so too would those who served him. At the time I believed it to be merely another empty vow, yet here I am. My soul has returned from beyond to rejoin Shao Kahn. He had need of me. But I require a host body in which my soul could reside. At the flesh pits, he forged for me a new body. It was weak and grotesque to behold, but it functioned well enough. I craved mortal souls to heal and fortify my new flesh. I found more than enough at a place all too familiar to me: the village where Li Mei was born. I consumed each peasant’s life force as Shao Kahn and Goro slew them one by one. I was renewed! Shao Kahn then commanded me to aid him in an assault on occupying Edenian forces, in an effort to retake his stronghold. United once more, Shao Kahn, Goro and I laid waste to all who stood in our way! In a flurry of brute strength and magic, we forced our way up to the throne room. The door was reinforced by some magical spell, but it was no match for our combined might. With a final swing of Shao Kahn’s hammer, the door was breached, and Shao Kahn was Emperor of Outworld once more. Though I am bound to him eternally, an opportunity has arisen that might give me the means to free myself. It seems Quan Chi has also survived death, and he has brought word from Shinnok of a plan to take a mighty power for the Forces of Darkness. If I claim that prize for myself, I could sever my bond with Shao Kahn! Until that time, I will continue to play my role as his servant and redirect any suspicions he may have of betrayal to others within our new dark alliance. Once I have the power and I am free of Shao Kahn, I will finish him and finally take the throne of Outworld for myself!

 

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